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		<title>By: Tim...</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2006/05/03/ocfs2/comment-page-1/#comment-146184</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 07:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi.

OCFS2 and RAC on a single system is a *complete* disaster. Why? Because they are competing clustering solutions. They have no knowledge of each other and will interfere with each other. Sometimes OCFS2 will have a problems and force a node restart when Clusterware is happy, and vice versa. In my opinion, they should never be used together.

Why not use an NFS mount for the location? It&#039;s sharable and allows you to use regular files, which seems to be what you want.

Cheers

Tim...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.</p>
<p>OCFS2 and RAC on a single system is a *complete* disaster. Why? Because they are competing clustering solutions. They have no knowledge of each other and will interfere with each other. Sometimes OCFS2 will have a problems and force a node restart when Clusterware is happy, and vice versa. In my opinion, they should never be used together.</p>
<p>Why not use an NFS mount for the location? It&#8217;s sharable and allows you to use regular files, which seems to be what you want.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Tim&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hyun Kwon</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2006/05/03/ocfs2/comment-page-1/#comment-146134</link>
		<dc:creator>Hyun Kwon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 20:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am building 11gR2 RAC using ASM on Linux servers. Being EMC data domain(DD) our primary backup storage, there are a few options to take in terms of FRA and ASM. One easy option is define FRA on ASM as Oracle recommends. But in that case as database is backed to FRA/ASM, DD cannot be used. 2nd option is to backup database into DD, non-FRA area, which is not a great idea. 3rd option is define FRA on a cluster file system such as GFS, ACFS, OCFS2, etc and softlink FRA backup directory to NFS mounted DD directory. It sounds complicated but, we use FRA and have backup on DD. The problem is that ACFS is dropped because it is not supported for database files (control files, archivelog files, redo log files which are placed in FRA). GFS is dropped as it requires another redhat clusterware. OCFS2 is the only option for now. My only concern is Oracle&#039;s future strategy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am building 11gR2 RAC using ASM on Linux servers. Being EMC data domain(DD) our primary backup storage, there are a few options to take in terms of FRA and ASM. One easy option is define FRA on ASM as Oracle recommends. But in that case as database is backed to FRA/ASM, DD cannot be used. 2nd option is to backup database into DD, non-FRA area, which is not a great idea. 3rd option is define FRA on a cluster file system such as GFS, ACFS, OCFS2, etc and softlink FRA backup directory to NFS mounted DD directory. It sounds complicated but, we use FRA and have backup on DD. The problem is that ACFS is dropped because it is not supported for database files (control files, archivelog files, redo log files which are placed in FRA). GFS is dropped as it requires another redhat clusterware. OCFS2 is the only option for now. My only concern is Oracle&#8217;s future strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim...</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2006/05/03/ocfs2/comment-page-1/#comment-128902</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi.

Please don;t use OCFS2 and RAC together. They are two different clustering frameworks. As a result, they often trip each other up. Personally I would avoid combining at all costs. Use an NFS mount for shared disks, or if you are using 11gR2 use ACFS.

Cheers

Tim...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.</p>
<p>Please don;t use OCFS2 and RAC together. They are two different clustering frameworks. As a result, they often trip each other up. Personally I would avoid combining at all costs. Use an NFS mount for shared disks, or if you are using 11gR2 use ACFS.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Tim&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ganesh</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2006/05/03/ocfs2/comment-page-1/#comment-128899</link>
		<dc:creator>Ganesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,
In my opinion, ASM adds the manageability advantage over the performance advantage of raw file systems. Online space management is one important feature to consider.
But in our RAC setup, we are exploring possibilities of adding OCFS2 along with ASM, the primary reason being, the tape library that we use cannot read the backups directly from ASM. RMAN would be better off using OCFS2 so that the downstream backup possibilities are much wider and easier from an OCFS2 filesystem to other devices/systems.


-Ganesh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
In my opinion, ASM adds the manageability advantage over the performance advantage of raw file systems. Online space management is one important feature to consider.<br />
But in our RAC setup, we are exploring possibilities of adding OCFS2 along with ASM, the primary reason being, the tape library that we use cannot read the backups directly from ASM. RMAN would be better off using OCFS2 so that the downstream backup possibilities are much wider and easier from an OCFS2 filesystem to other devices/systems.</p>
<p>-Ganesh</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Yoon</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2006/05/03/ocfs2/comment-page-1/#comment-103516</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Yoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know that oracle pushes ASM rather than ocfs2 but I think that this may not be a good decision and at the end oracle will loose lots of client to veritas cfs. 

Ocfs2 has it&#039;s own strong point on top of ASM like easy of use. Specially, company which need database cloned regular bases between production and QA system need to asign extra staging area to take backset out of ASM volume before the transfer.  And so far ASM provide very limited functions for this kinds of scenarios.

So, I hope that oracle enhance their ASM to provide better interaction to the outside of ASM  and also between the ASM on both local and remote servers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that oracle pushes ASM rather than ocfs2 but I think that this may not be a good decision and at the end oracle will loose lots of client to veritas cfs. </p>
<p>Ocfs2 has it&#8217;s own strong point on top of ASM like easy of use. Specially, company which need database cloned regular bases between production and QA system need to asign extra staging area to take backset out of ASM volume before the transfer.  And so far ASM provide very limited functions for this kinds of scenarios.</p>
<p>So, I hope that oracle enhance their ASM to provide better interaction to the outside of ASM  and also between the ASM on both local and remote servers.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Arao</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2006/05/03/ocfs2/comment-page-1/#comment-102502</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Arao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll use OCFS2 for my ocr and voting disk, as well as for my flash recovery area..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll use OCFS2 for my ocr and voting disk, as well as for my flash recovery area..</p>
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		<title>By: Tim...</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2006/05/03/ocfs2/comment-page-1/#comment-97459</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi.

OCFS2 is fine. Remember also, that in 11gR2 you will be able to store OCR configuration and voting disks in ASM, so you don&#039;t have to use RAW or OCFS2.

Cheers

Tim...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.</p>
<p>OCFS2 is fine. Remember also, that in 11gR2 you will be able to store OCR configuration and voting disks in ASM, so you don&#8217;t have to use RAW or OCFS2.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Tim&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MVE</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2006/05/03/ocfs2/comment-page-1/#comment-97439</link>
		<dc:creator>MVE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim,

What are your thoughts on putting OCR/Voting onto OCFS2 instead of RAW?  Considering that RAW devices are being depreciated by ORACLE:

From Oracle RDBMS version 10.2.0.2.0 and higher, block devices can be 
accessed via any of the following methods and utilized by the RDBMS:
 
    * Direct block device access
    * ASMLib mapped devices
    * OCFS2 devices
    * LVM2 mapped devices (single instance only)&quot;
 
REFERENCE:
   Note:357492.1 Linux 2.6 Kernel Deprecation Of Raw Devices

Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>What are your thoughts on putting OCR/Voting onto OCFS2 instead of RAW?  Considering that RAW devices are being depreciated by ORACLE:</p>
<p>From Oracle RDBMS version 10.2.0.2.0 and higher, block devices can be<br />
accessed via any of the following methods and utilized by the RDBMS:</p>
<p>    * Direct block device access<br />
    * ASMLib mapped devices<br />
    * OCFS2 devices<br />
    * LVM2 mapped devices (single instance only)&#8221;</p>
<p>REFERENCE:<br />
   Note:357492.1 Linux 2.6 Kernel Deprecation Of Raw Devices</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Tim...</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2006/05/03/ocfs2/comment-page-1/#comment-94259</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 09:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi.

ASM just isn&#039;t designed for that. It&#039;s only designed to hold database files. Follow this link and you&#039;ll see a table of supported storage solutions:

http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B28359_01/install.111/b28263/storage.htm#BABHIJDF

As you can see, ASM is not supported for OCR, voting disk or software installations.

Cheers

Tim...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.</p>
<p>ASM just isn&#8217;t designed for that. It&#8217;s only designed to hold database files. Follow this link and you&#8217;ll see a table of supported storage solutions:</p>
<p><a href="http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B28359_01/install.111/b28263/storage.htm#BABHIJDF" rel="nofollow">http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B28359_01/install.111/b28263/storage.htm#BABHIJDF</a></p>
<p>As you can see, ASM is not supported for OCR, voting disk or software installations.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Tim&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2006/05/03/ocfs2/comment-page-1/#comment-94258</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 08:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim ya but i want to know that why cant we go for ASM for storing those two files rather why we go for others 

And with ur ans cant we install ASM before we install the cluster ware if so why cant we ?

plz explain me brief i am really in need of that]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim ya but i want to know that why cant we go for ASM for storing those two files rather why we go for others </p>
<p>And with ur ans cant we install ASM before we install the cluster ware if so why cant we ?</p>
<p>plz explain me brief i am really in need of that</p>
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