Comments on: Middle-tier diet… http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/02/02/middle-tier-diet/ Oracle related rants (and lots of off-topic stuff)... Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:26:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Noons http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/02/02/middle-tier-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-9270 Noons Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:31:46 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/02/02/middle-tier-diet/#comment-9270 j2ee is the biggest rip-off in the history of IT. there is not a single claim that j2ee makes that has ever been sustained and proven in real life. not one. but it sells hardware as if it was hot cakes. and OS licences. and app server licences. and "seats". and a lot of other things. as such, there isn't one marketeer of one of the above that doesn't like it. j2ee is the biggest rip-off in the history of IT.
there is not a single claim that j2ee makes that has ever been sustained and proven in real life. not one.

but it sells hardware as if it was hot cakes. and OS licences. and app server licences. and “seats”. and a lot of other things.

as such, there isn’t one marketeer of one of the above that doesn’t like it.

]]> By: Andy C http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/02/02/middle-tier-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-9112 Andy C Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:02:20 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/02/02/middle-tier-diet/#comment-9112 When I first encountered Siebel, I was horrified to learn it didn't support native referential integrity constraints, table partitioning, parallel query, IOT's, parallel DML, CBO and all those other Oracle features. I was convinced all of this would significantly hinder the scalability of the middle tier. 4 years on, it turns out it doesn't. Granted, there is *potential* for better, tighter integration with Oracle DBMS and who knows, given recent events, that may well come to pass in the next few months. However, I have Siebel running on a 4 year old laptop with 1GB of memory (Web server, Application tier and Oracle 10g database) and a Linux VM. I tell customers this who moan about Siebel's massive hardware requirements and memory footprint. [Hint: look carefully at your customisations and scripting before you buy yet another cluster] 'Lowest common denominator' database support from Siebel and other vendors may well infuriate the purists and Oracle evangelists but makes supporting other databases (DB2, SQL Server) a lot, lot easier. Surprisingly, database independence is important to application vendors for commercial reasons (license sales). There are still of lot of Big Blue customers out there, typically in the big corporations who hold big IT budgets. When I first encountered Siebel, I was horrified to learn it didn’t support native referential integrity constraints, table partitioning, parallel query, IOT’s, parallel DML, CBO and all those other Oracle features.

I was convinced all of this would significantly hinder the scalability of the middle tier.

4 years on, it turns out it doesn’t. Granted, there is *potential* for better, tighter integration with Oracle DBMS and who knows, given recent events, that may well come to pass in the next few months.

However, I have Siebel running on a 4 year old laptop with 1GB of memory (Web server, Application tier and Oracle 10g database) and a Linux VM. I tell customers this who moan about Siebel’s massive hardware requirements and memory footprint. [Hint: look carefully at your customisations and scripting before you buy yet another cluster]

‘Lowest common denominator’ database support from Siebel and other vendors may well infuriate the purists and Oracle evangelists but makes supporting other databases (DB2, SQL Server) a lot, lot easier.

Surprisingly, database independence is important to application vendors for commercial reasons (license sales). There are still of lot of Big Blue customers out there, typically in the big corporations who hold big IT budgets.

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