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	<title>Comments on: Oracle ACE Director?</title>
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		<title>By: Justin Kestelyn</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/07/23/oracle-ace-director/comment-page-1/#comment-27463</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Kestelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, thanks for the post. A couple things to note:

The new &quot;top tier&quot; was created by merging the OFM Regional Director program with the ACE program. Thus, by definition, the ranks of Oracle ACE Directors are for the time being populated by OFM experts. However, as we note on the Web page, the top tier of the program is now also open to database management/performance and database app development experts. Thus, you will indeed see the most &quot;deserving&quot; individuals rise in the ranks, regardless of their expertise.

That being said, ACE Director-ship does involve a higher level of commitment - so regardless of how much one deserves the recognition, one has to be willing to make that commitment as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, thanks for the post. A couple things to note:</p>
<p>The new &#8220;top tier&#8221; was created by merging the OFM Regional Director program with the ACE program. Thus, by definition, the ranks of Oracle ACE Directors are for the time being populated by OFM experts. However, as we note on the Web page, the top tier of the program is now also open to database management/performance and database app development experts. Thus, you will indeed see the most &#8220;deserving&#8221; individuals rise in the ranks, regardless of their expertise.</p>
<p>That being said, ACE Director-ship does involve a higher level of commitment &#8211; so regardless of how much one deserves the recognition, one has to be willing to make that commitment as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Burleson</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/07/23/oracle-ace-director/comment-page-1/#comment-27456</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Burleson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alistair:

&gt;&gt; The rank above Ace is Joker

Ha!  VERY good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alistair:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; The rank above Ace is Joker</p>
<p>Ha!  VERY good!</p>
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		<title>By: Alistair Wall</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/07/23/oracle-ace-director/comment-page-1/#comment-27452</link>
		<dc:creator>Alistair Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rank above Ace is Joker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rank above Ace is Joker.</p>
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		<title>By: John Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/07/23/oracle-ace-director/comment-page-1/#comment-27446</link>
		<dc:creator>John Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree too Tim.

I was also very surprised that some of the people you&#039;d expect to be in the highest &#039;category&#039; were not actually listed as ACE Directors (like you I checked the names out as soon as I spotted it ;)

Perhaps it&#039;s just the terminology that is being used, since to me &#039;ACE Director&#039; reads very differently to  &#039;Oracle ACE/Fusion Director&#039; 

John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree too Tim.</p>
<p>I was also very surprised that some of the people you&#8217;d expect to be in the highest &#8216;category&#8217; were not actually listed as ACE Directors (like you I checked the names out as soon as I spotted it <img src='http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s just the terminology that is being used, since to me &#8216;ACE Director&#8217; reads very differently to  &#8216;Oracle ACE/Fusion Director&#8217; </p>
<p>John.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidhu</title>
		<link>http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/07/23/oracle-ace-director/comment-page-1/#comment-27445</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim

I also looked for Tom Kyte and few other people but no-one was there in ACE Dir list...strange :(

Sidhu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim</p>
<p>I also looked for Tom Kyte and few other people but no-one was there in ACE Dir list&#8230;strange <img src='http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sidhu</p>
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		<title>By: Tim...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.

I was not bothered by the fact I&#039;m not an ACE Director. I was more bothered by the fact that some of the people I think of as being on the top of the list have not been recognized. I realize now that this is just a matter of time, but I think it could have been handled better.

Cheers

Tim...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.</p>
<p>I was not bothered by the fact I&#8217;m not an ACE Director. I was more bothered by the fact that some of the people I think of as being on the top of the list have not been recognized. I realize now that this is just a matter of time, but I think it could have been handled better.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Tim&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitri Gielis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dimitri Gielis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree for 100%!

The problem is that the Fusion Middleware Directors got the &quot;ACE Directors&quot; title...
If you know you could apply for a FMD yourself and a &quot;normal&quot; ACE you need to earn...

I understand Oracle for doing it, but like you Tim, I&#039;m not sure it needs to be like they did it now.

Just my thoughts,
Dimitri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree for 100%!</p>
<p>The problem is that the Fusion Middleware Directors got the &#8220;ACE Directors&#8221; title&#8230;<br />
If you know you could apply for a FMD yourself and a &#8220;normal&#8221; ACE you need to earn&#8230;</p>
<p>I understand Oracle for doing it, but like you Tim, I&#8217;m not sure it needs to be like they did it now.</p>
<p>Just my thoughts,<br />
Dimitri</p>
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