Comments on: Fedora 8 and Oracle 11g… http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/ Oracle related rants (and lots of off-topic stuff)... Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:27:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Mark Komarinski http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-95082 Mark Komarinski Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:19:26 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-95082 I don't use Fedora as a server OS, and neither should anyone else. The short release cycle (6 months) and short support cycle (two releases, or about a year), mean you'll be taking the thing down all the time in order to upgrade. I'd recommend CentOS if you really really want RPM/Red Hat, or install Ubuntu LTS or Debian Stable. All three of those are supported for a long time, yet allow you to install 'newer' software so things don't get too crusty and out of date. I don’t use Fedora as a server OS, and neither should anyone else. The short release cycle (6 months) and short support cycle (two releases, or about a year), mean you’ll be taking the thing down all the time in order to upgrade.

I’d recommend CentOS if you really really want RPM/Red Hat, or install Ubuntu LTS or Debian Stable. All three of those are supported for a long time, yet allow you to install ‘newer’ software so things don’t get too crusty and out of date.

]]> By: Rahul Sundaram http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-93784 Rahul Sundaram Sat, 17 May 2008 22:44:37 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-93784 Just came across. On the review of Fedora 8, you have noted that Fedora comes on several cd's instead of one but seems to have missed out that Fedora does provide multiple choices here. 1) Regular Installation DVD 2) Regular Installation CD's. 3) Installable Live CD's 4) Several custom variants at http://spins.fedoraproject.org Also the live cd's are more suitable for the desktop while the regular installations allow for more customization. Hope that helps. Just came across. On the review of Fedora 8, you have noted that Fedora comes on several cd’s instead of one but seems to have missed out that Fedora does provide multiple choices here.

1) Regular Installation DVD
2) Regular Installation CD’s.
3) Installable Live CD’s
4) Several custom variants at http://spins.fedoraproject.org

Also the live cd’s are more suitable for the desktop while the regular installations allow for more customization. Hope that helps.

]]> By: Michael http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-93444 Michael Tue, 06 May 2008 19:41:22 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-93444 Certainly one difference between a distro like CentOs and Fedora is the kernel version. In some cases this can mean the difference between a successful and flawed installation. In addition why not have a machine that can mimic client and server. One of the main reasons for having linux is to be able to do unix type things on a pc or laptop. If I decide to run a site using linux and it's vital the site performs effectively then I would probably pick Red Hat Enterprise Linux and take out a support option ( or an equivalent low risk option). But for a large number of linux users it is important to experiment on relatively modest hardware with recent implementations of the kernel from both a server and client perspective. Certainly one difference between a distro like CentOs and Fedora is the kernel version. In some cases this can mean the difference between a successful and flawed installation. In addition why not have a machine that can mimic client and server. One of the main reasons for having linux is to be able to do unix type things on a pc or laptop. If I decide to run a site using linux and it’s vital the site performs effectively then I would probably pick Red Hat Enterprise Linux and take out a support option ( or an equivalent low risk option). But for a large number of linux users it is important to experiment on relatively modest hardware with recent implementations of the kernel from both a server and client perspective.

]]> By: Tim... http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-88092 Tim... Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:07:17 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-88092 German Ramirez: I think your reply actually proves the point I'm trying to make. Do you think most average users will spend 2 hours customizing an installation? I don't think they will. The point I was trying to make is if Fedora wants to make any headway into certain markets, it has to decide what it really is, or be released in several flavors. It is crazy to expect your average Joe to download 5 CDs or a DVD to get a basic desktop OS. They will never use most of the stuff. Having a desktop and server flavor like Ubuntu will make acceptance much easier. They can always download extra stuff from the repository. I don't doubt Fedora's capability. After all, it is the proving ground for RHEL (which is my preferred distro), but I do think it has lost it's identity. It is no longer the first choice for a desktop, and most people I know pick CentOS for free server installations. Where does Fedora fit in this picture? I don't know. Which is the point I was making. Cheers Tim... German Ramirez: I think your reply actually proves the point I’m trying to make. Do you think most average users will spend 2 hours customizing an installation? I don’t think they will.

The point I was trying to make is if Fedora wants to make any headway into certain markets, it has to decide what it really is, or be released in several flavors. It is crazy to expect your average Joe to download 5 CDs or a DVD to get a basic desktop OS. They will never use most of the stuff. Having a desktop and server flavor like Ubuntu will make acceptance much easier. They can always download extra stuff from the repository.

I don’t doubt Fedora’s capability. After all, it is the proving ground for RHEL (which is my preferred distro), but I do think it has lost it’s identity. It is no longer the first choice for a desktop, and most people I know pick CentOS for free server installations. Where does Fedora fit in this picture? I don’t know. Which is the point I was making.

Cheers

Tim…

]]> By: German Ramirez http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-88081 German Ramirez Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:46:38 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-88081 NO way! you're wrong guys.The key is right here: CUSTOMIZE. Fedora can easily cover both functions,it's all about customizing: Do you want a server?go ahead and select your packets to be installed,do not select the "cutesy" or "desktop" features,and that includes media players,office tools,and all of the other desktop software(Yes,including X)In case you are looking for oracle,try a windows manager other than GNOME/KDE.After that you'll obtain a clean compact powerfull server.It's all about you spending sometime customizing.Do you want a nice powerful desktop?do the custom again but this time make sure to exclude all the server stuff/services and add the cutesy and do not forget to setup LIVNA and freshrpms Repos for obtaining all of the multimedia support.Including MP3/DVD/ETC players. It could be nice if someone created a FEDORA-PROFILER,a one click selection menu during the install with predefined profiles e.g.(server,desktop,custom,light desktop,etc..) just for people who is not willing to spend a couple of hours "customizing". Cheers, German NO way! you’re wrong guys.The key is right here: CUSTOMIZE. Fedora can easily cover both functions,it’s all about customizing: Do you want a server?go ahead and select your packets to be installed,do not select the “cutesy” or “desktop” features,and that includes media players,office tools,and all of the other desktop software(Yes,including X)In case you are looking for oracle,try a windows manager other than GNOME/KDE.After that you’ll obtain a clean compact powerfull server.It’s all about you spending sometime customizing.Do you want a nice powerful desktop?do the custom again but this time make sure to exclude all the server stuff/services and add the cutesy and do not forget to setup LIVNA and freshrpms Repos for obtaining all of the multimedia support.Including MP3/DVD/ETC players.
It could be nice if someone created a FEDORA-PROFILER,a one click selection menu during the install with predefined profiles e.g.(server,desktop,custom,light desktop,etc..) just for people who is not willing to spend a couple of hours “customizing”.

Cheers,
German

]]> By: Howard Rogers http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-52721 Howard Rogers Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:27:25 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-52721 By the way, I agree with you about Fedora. It all went horribly wrong (IMHO) about Fedora Core 4 -> FC5. Once we got the fluffy fonts, cutesy -and utterly meaningless- logo and artwork ranging from strands of DNA (for no obvious reason) to balloons (ditto), commonsense could be said to have left the building. Actually Fedora 8 strikes me as one of the saner releases in the past couple of years (at least the balloons have gone!), but it's still not quite 'right' for me... By the way, I agree with you about Fedora. It all went horribly wrong (IMHO) about Fedora Core 4 -> FC5. Once we got the fluffy fonts, cutesy -and utterly meaningless- logo and artwork ranging from strands of DNA (for no obvious reason) to balloons (ditto), commonsense could be said to have left the building. Actually Fedora 8 strikes me as one of the saner releases in the past couple of years (at least the balloons have gone!), but it’s still not quite ‘right’ for me…

]]> By: Howard Rogers http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-52720 Howard Rogers Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:23:19 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2007/11/21/fedora-8-and-oracle-11g/#comment-52720 Interested to know why the LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 workaround which I documented on Friday 9th November as NOT working suddenly works for you... Interested to know why the LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 workaround which I documented on Friday 9th November as NOT working suddenly works for you…

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