Comments on: Real DBAs use Grid Control… http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2010/01/19/real-dbas-use-grid-control/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=real-dbas-use-grid-control Oracle related rants (and lots of off-topic stuff)... Tue, 21 May 2013 22:00:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Tim... http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2010/01/19/real-dbas-use-grid-control/comment-page-1/#comment-116965 Tim... Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:36:23 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/?p=1221#comment-116965 Thanks for the info. Another tool to think about when I next have an OS nightmare. :)

Cheers

Tim…

]]> By: Frits Hoogland http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2010/01/19/real-dbas-use-grid-control/comment-page-1/#comment-116963 Frits Hoogland Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:56:51 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/?p=1221#comment-116963 Oops, my email and website have changed!

]]> By: Frits Hoogland http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2010/01/19/real-dbas-use-grid-control/comment-page-1/#comment-116962 Frits Hoogland Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:54:32 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/?p=1221#comment-116962 The 9i enterprise manager felt like the candy house of the witch to me. It really looked well (yummy) when it appeared. Later, when we did set it up in an enterprise environment (100+ databases) we encountered some really ridiculous bugs. Like you needed to register all objects again after adding a new administrator, otherwise the new admin wouldn’t see anything. Or inserting an event internally even if you did say you didn’t want any event (which resulted in OEM stopping to function after reaching more than 250.000.000.000 events)

Anyways. I think Oracle DBA’s will enter the world of linux administration more and more. With Oracle Enterprise Linux, the box says ‘Oracle’, so the DBA must administer, just like we’ve seen with the application server.

I don’t know what that will result in. After all, walking over a bridge for more than 10 years doesn’t mean you are able to build it. It sometimes seems like DBA’s must (and think) they can administer linux/unix because they’ve used it for a long time.

Oh, Tim, have a look at splunk (I didn’t come up with the name): http://www.splunk.com. It can be used for free up to a certain amount of data. Again, this is silly for use with on-laptop VM’s, but quickly makes sense in corporate environments.

]]> By: Tim... http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2010/01/19/real-dbas-use-grid-control/comment-page-1/#comment-116949 Tim... Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:17:35 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/?p=1221#comment-116949 I think of most of the app server-related stuff as Linux-only products. They all seem to install easier and work more reliably on Linux.

Cheers

Tim…

]]> By: Noons http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2010/01/19/real-dbas-use-grid-control/comment-page-1/#comment-116940 Noons Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:59:50 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/?p=1221#comment-116940 I’ve found those tools great to manage things like profiles, jobs and a few others.

Absolute murder to setup/maintain from the command line, even on a single instance!

Mind you: have you tried to install grid from scratch on anything other than Leenooks?

An exercise in patience…

]]> By: Tim... http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2010/01/19/real-dbas-use-grid-control/comment-page-1/#comment-116933 Tim... Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:34:48 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/?p=1221#comment-116933 The reference to Bobby Tables got me looking at XKCD, which led me on to this.

http://xkcd.com/331/

Very funny.

Cheers

Tim…

]]> By: Tim... http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2010/01/19/real-dbas-use-grid-control/comment-page-1/#comment-116932 Tim... Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:02:34 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/?p=1221#comment-116932 Hi.

Yeah. Licensing is a real bummer. :)

I guess it all comes down to return on investment. If a company can see the saving associated with automation, selling it as a concept is a lot easier.

By the time Oracle 13 comes out, all this will be part of standard edition and there will be some new thing we can’t afford to use. :)

Cheers

Tim…

]]> By: Niall http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2010/01/19/real-dbas-use-grid-control/comment-page-1/#comment-116931 Niall Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:44:59 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/?p=1221#comment-116931 ah, and I can’t edit comments. You used to be able to email yourself in 9i of course – not to mention use at least some of Enterprise Manager’s performance tools without extra cost. Kind of a downgrade.

]]> By: Niall http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/2010/01/19/real-dbas-use-grid-control/comment-page-1/#comment-116930 Niall Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:43:31 +0000 http://www.oracle-base.com/blog/?p=1221#comment-116930 Tim… (always wanted to start a comment like that, reminds me of little Bobby Tables) er anyway. I entirely agree, which is why my last 2 presentations have been about using tools to automate the mind numbing stuff and to free the DBA up to do the hard value-add stuff.

I do feel duty bound to mention though that you can’t use Grid Control itself to email you without paying extra for the diagnostic pack license. Madness.

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